Great Women in Compliance
By Mary Shirley and Lisa Fine
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For a long time, compliance was perceived as a part of the larger legal world. Today, compliance is its own profession -- a place where people work tirelessly to make the world a better place, one where doing the right thing is the standard for everyone. There are a lot of amazing and inspirational women who have helped the compliance field develop into what it is today and women who are joining this field every day. They are leading the work on cutting-edge issues and breaking barriers for women. Join Mary Shirley and Lisa Fine as they talk with women in compliance who are making a difference. This podcast is part of the Compliance Podcast Network.
||CleanTechnology and Compliance with Kimberly Kaminski||Do tech and compliance mix? Kimberly Kaminski is the Vice President and Chief Ethics Officer at BAE Systems Inc., a global aerospace and defense contractor, and she’s here on the show today to talk about coming into compliance with a tech background instead of a legal one, what it’s like to work in defense, and the golden nuggets she’s gained along the way. From tech to complianceKimberly started as an electronics technician after receiving her degree. After 3 decades, she had the opportunity to build a compliance program from scratch. Next came the chance to join BAE, and with the great reputation they had, she was excited to come aboard.Being a tech expert gave Kimberly a good framework for understanding an organization and insight into the requirements to help build products for customers. Being a non-lawyer, she was able to bring a different perspective into the mix, including the different nuggets she’d collected from learning the trade and working with people on the floor. Women in tech and compliance fieldsThe legal team at BAE has over 60% women, and they have a female chief diversity officer. Young women entering the workplace are looking upward to seek role models. This is good, but we can do better. People are at the heart of BAE’s success, so they focus on attracting and keeping diverse talent, and have programs to help employees stay on the cutting edge. A strong industrial base is not just about facilities and products, it’s about people. What was your leadership experience like both in this community and in the Twin Cities area in promoting ethics and compliance?Kimberly is part of a few organizations: The Defense Industry Initiative, The Capital Area Business Ethics Network, and the Twin City Compliance and Ethics Network. Sharing best practices is a hallmark of the compliance community. This is an industry that wants to give everyone the best tools to do right and help businesses, regardless of what they do; it’s very easy to reach out to colleagues and ask for help should you have an issue.Balancing family life and career challengesKimberly’s husband passed away 12 years ago, and family and colleagues were instrumental along the way of raising her four boys, now in their early 20s. You can’t do this alone. Form those relationships, keep them intact, take the different nuggets that you get from people along the way, and then help others along the way. Final thoughtsTo any woman considering coming into the compliance field, we welcome you with open arms. It’s the coolest job in the world. One day you could be working with a person on the floor, the next you could be giving a presentation to the board of directors, and the following week you could be in China. It’s a great opportunity, so keep an open mind. Every chance you get, network, network, network! Most importantly, walk through that door and help people along the way.ResourcesKimberly Kaminski | Defense Industry Initiative | Capital Area Business Ethics Network||1/15/2019||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanFocusing on What Matters with Lisa Beth Lentini||Lisa Beth Lentini has worked in the U.S. Federal Government and is currently the Chief Compliance Officer and Co-Chair of the Deluxe Enterprise Risk Council, and one of her greatest passions in life is to help foster greatness in others. On this episode, Lisa talks about focusing on what matters, and why kindness is so important — to others, as well as yourself. Why is it so important for you to champion other women, including in our industry? There aren’t enough champions for women out there yet, and it's also about being the kind of person you want to be. Being kind and supportive is just as important in professional relationships as it is in personal relationships. Do you have any ideas on how we can be better at doing this? Carve out a little bit of time for thankfulness and gratitude. Speak up and recognize the greatness that you see in others even when they may not see it in themselves. Or take the time to meet with someone and share what you wish you’d known, or provide connections. What do you think it means to have it all? It’s not possible to have it all at the same time. Not that Lisa Beth would want to, because having it all would mean never being present and truly dedicated to the things that matter. Instead, it’s about focusing on what matters to you personally. Compliance programs are not one size fits all, and neither is life.How do you balance your multiple roles in life, from motherhood to compliance practitioner? There’s no such thing as work-life balance because you’re constantly deciding what wins and what loses. Instead, integrate your priorities in a way that makes sense in your life.Savor the small moments, especially the things that go right.Find a way to let go of the disappointments and things that go wrong. Give yourself a little dash of grace.Be kind to yourself. If you’re not kind to yourself, you can’t display that kindness to others. How do you alleviate mom guilt? Let go of what everyone else’s perfect looks like. Check your internal messaging, turn off negative thoughts, and say: I am good enough. I am doing amazing things. I am managing in ways that many other people would struggle with. How did you prioritize selecting volunteer opportunities? If you’re saying yes to everything and giving little pieces of yourself everywhere, you lessen your impact. Lisa Beth had to make some tough choices, but as in gardening, she says, sometimes you have to cut back to grow. Tell us more about your mindfulness-based approach. Lisa Beth shares some of the practices they have at work where they take the time to recognize each other. It goes so far, and it’s free: it costs nothing to tell someone their work was terrific. It deepens the relationship and allows for a lot of progress in terms of interpersonal interactions within the team and outside the team. What are your key tactics for keeping all your balls in the air and all your plates spinning? When you can, outsource. (This can be home activities, like a cleaning service.)When you can, delegate.Ask for help, and give help when you can. Help will be there for you if you’re ready to give it as well.Find laughter. There should be laughter in your organization. There should be laughter in your life. Final ThoughtsA recent study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences finds that single acts of kindness often start a ripple effect. This can be contagious in the workplace, especially when leaders are involved.ResourcesLisa Beth Lentini (LinkedIn)||1/1/2019||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanAward-Winning Women with Yvette Lingom||Today we’re speaking with Yvette Lingom, the Associate Director of Programming at C5 Communications, Ltd., a leading global events and business intelligence company. Yvette started with a legal background before moving into compliance and is now doing events. Today, Yvette talks to us about the conferences she puts together, their awards for women in compliance, and some great advice. What was it like transitioning through the different steps of your career? Would you recommend it to others? Yvette made from a consulting firm to the consulting industry. It was a natural one, because she was still very close to the legal community but doing things differently. Legan work can be intense, and she recommends this to practicing lawyers or consultants who want to change the way they work.What was the impetus for the Women in Compliance Conference and the associated awards events? 70% of women in compliance roles attend conferences, and fewer than 10% of the 70% were women in senior compliance roles. They decided to celebrate what these women were doing and create an opportunity to showcase these women’s contributions to the compliance industry. The conference also exists to close women’s knowledge and skills gap so they can level up in their roles. This means addressing the answer of a very important question: What are the potential hindrances that are preventing women from becoming chief compliance officers?How do you decide on the topics and agenda for the conference?It involves a lot of research to understand what is current, what is timely, and what people need. Then it’s a process of sorting these topics into “nice to know” and “need to know.” The speakers also need to be relevant; it’s so important that they stay on topic that Yvette and the team dictate what they should be speaking about, and not the other way around, so that women benefit greatly from every event.What characteristics or achievements do the judges look for when considering winners for the award? A really good entry is key. There’s no interview process — the basis is the entry and the entry alone. The judges take a very close look at the project and achievement to understand exactly what happened. It all needs to be clearly explained. They examine the evidence and supporting documents, check how innovative the solution was, how it benefited the company the person is working for — a combination of things that demonstrate the value of the results.What advice would you give anyone writing a nomination hoping it will stand out? Be clear. Get specific about your descriptions. What exactly is the project? What is the achievement? How measurable is your result? Make sure to add quality evidence to your submission. If you’re nominating somebody else, get help from the nominee. She would be the best and only person in place to clearly demonstrate what went on and what she has achieved.How do you define great women in compliance?A great woman in compliance should be a subject matter expert in her specialty. But at some point, knowledge no longer becomes a differentiator; it becomes a given, so she needs to be influential as well, so she can scale up. She needs to have a great personality: kind, tough, but fair. And lastly, she should be capable of demonstrating solidarity: with women in compliance, with women in general, and with the next generation. ResourcesYvette LingomC5 Communications LtdGreat Women in Compliance Podcast Community||12/18/2018||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanData Privacy, Security, and Compliance with Michelle Beistle||On this episode of Great Women in Compliance, we have Michelle Beistle, the Counsel and Chief Compliance Officer for Privacy and Ethics at Unisys. Prior to this, she was an Assistant General Counsel specializing in privacy. What was this career trajectory like? Michelle shares her story and discusses how data privacy and security go hand in hand with compliance.From privacy to complianceMichelle started her compliance career in privacy first, a move that’s often the reverse of the usual career trajectories. As privacy counsel and chief privacy officer, she eventually took on the ethics program as well as becoming chief compliance officer.She sees a lot of synergy and complementariness between the two roles. While privacy is about respecting an individual’s right to control their own data, ethics is about respecting the law and ensuring you’re following rules and regulations. From a programmatic point of view there are some overlaps: plenty of training and awareness, providing a place for people to report concerns, conducting investigations into those concerns, and then monitoring those concerns for trends.There is a benefit to having both programs under one umbrella, because at the heart of it, acting with integrity is essential to success.Data privacy vs. data securityData security, and the security of personal data, is an integral component and requirement for a good privacy program. But privacy is not just data security; that’s just one element.Privacy is much more than just protecting data, it’s about giving individuals the ability to control how personal data about them — data that identifies who they are as a person — is used. It’s about respecting that data, and respecting the wishes of the individual as to how their data should be used.What would you say to women who want to build their compliance careers?Michelle received mentorship early in her career, and she observed that successful women took on challenges, even if they weren’t sure they were 100% qualified. When opportunities would arise, they wouldn’t turn away because they only had 50% of the qualifications. If you see a challenge or an opportunity, and you think you could make a difference, speak up. Don't wait for someone to come out and offer it to you.Another piece of advice she received was to always be respectful and kind to everyone. You don’t know who your next boss is going to be, or who’s going to give you your next opportunity.She also mentors young people now and tells them: Nobody is thinking more about your career than you. So make sure you’re thinking about it. Don’t be afraid to ask for advice.Final thoughtsPrivacy is a fantastic area to take on and grow as an individual in your career; don’t shy away from it. If you realize there’s more that can be done to respect individuals’ personal data at your company, step up, get involved, and explore privacy if you’re not already taking it on.Be the person at your company that can look out and proactively help.ResourcesMichelle Beistle||12/18/2018||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanThe Importance of Having a Sponsor with Ellen Hunt||In this episode of Great Women in Compliance, Lisa Fine speaks with lawyer Ellen Hunt, the Senior Vice President Audit, Ethics and Compliance Officer at AARP. She has had a wealth of experience working with boards of directors and helping to move the industry forward with education programs designed to help leaders make more ethical decisions. Relationships with Boards of DirectorsEllen has often worked with boards of directors, and one of the paramount considerations is having a good relationship with the people on different committees before challenging issues come up.Gender on Boards of DirectorsEllen has most often work with organizations with women not only being on boards, but also n management teams. If you are the only woman in the room however, think about how you can pave the way for others to follow you, and how what you bring to the table, like empathy and good listening is an important and valuable perspective. Mentoring and SponsorshipsMentors and sponsors are different things. A good mentor will share their own path with you, but a sponsor will be your advocate, and they’ll help make things happen for you. Compliance as a Function – what is changing?Compliance has really established itself as a function. It’s a profession that has a tremendous amount of credibility, but we must continuously disrupt the industry. Trust is a competitive advantage. If you’re a woman in compliance, or know someone who is, then check out the Women in Compliance Awards!Like the Great Women in Compliance Podcast?If so, we’d love for you to subscribe to the podcast and leave a review! Help us to honor the great women in the compliance field and spread the word about how they’re shaping the industry.The Great Women in Compliance Podcast is part of the Compliance Podcast Network, created by the Compliance Evangelist, Tom Fox. You can get ongoing education credits and more by tuning in to the network.Ellen HuntLinkedIn||12/5/2018||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanLeveling Up in the Compliance Field with Kristy Grant-Hart||Today on the show, we have Kristy Grant-Hart, one of the most well-known women in the industry. She became a Chief Compliance Officer at an early age, is the published author of several books, a board member of a nonprofit organization, and is now an entrepreneur with her own compliance consultancy company with its own publishing arm. She is undoubtedly a great woman in compliance, and she’s here to share with us her best advice for women who are ready to level up in this field. What traits do you attribute to your success? We already have good technical skills, but what sets truly successful practitioners apart is the ability to connect with people. It’s an underrated skill, but an absolutely necessary one. What advice do you have for women hoping to make a name for themselves in compliance? Start writing and speaking, even if you start small. When people see you stand in front of them or read what you have to say, you’re not only serving the profession and the community, but you’re doing so in a way that showcases your skills and abilities.What interested you in joining a board, and what has your experience been like so far? Kristy shares how much she respected and enjoyed her participation in the SPCE that running for board member was a natural next step. It wasn’t smooth sailing though — Kristy didn’t make it the first year she ran. It takes a lot of persistence, staying involved, and really being in front of leadership to position yourself to be accepted as a board member. What advice would you have for women who want to become board members?In some cities, there are organizations dedicated to helping people get on board, so that’s a good place to start. Kristy also shares that it’s true: once you get on one board, it’s much easier to get on others. So try to get on the board for any other organization that you like, because it’s a great way to build others’ confidence in your abilities. You want to show that you know what you’re doing when it comes to being a board member What was the experience like starting your own company? It was a multi-month process for Kristy, which involved a lot of research, networking, and pitching. If you really want to go into consulting or become an entrepreneur, it really is about meeting other entrepreneurs and honing your business skills, because while you probably already have technical skills, business skills are different.What has been your most significant learning moment in your compliance career?It’s a huge shift to go from big law, where people hang on to your every word, to in-house work, where people stop listening and don’t reply to emails. It became necessary for Kristy to figure out how to make herself more important and valuable to their business in a real way. What advice would you have for someone in the market for an in-house job? There needs to be a showing of commitment: get skilled in the other areas you need, get your qualifications and certifications, take classes, and network. You make a much stronger impression that you genuinely want this career, and that you’re in it for the long haul.Last wordsOnly three Fortune 500 Companies have an equal number of male and female board members. If Kristy inspired you today, get up and do something about it. The power is with us to turn these statistics around. Put your hand up, raise your voice, and be heard. Resources for KristyLinkedInWebsiteSpark Compliance Consulting||12/5/2018||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanIntroducing the Great Women in Compliance Podcast||Tom Fox, creator of the Compliance Podcast Network, interviews Mary Shirley and Lisa Fine about thier new show, Great Women in Compliance.||11/27/2018||Free||View in iTunes|