The Ezra Klein Show
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Ezra Klein gives you a chance to get inside the heads of the newsmakers and power players in politics and media. These are extended conversations with policymakers, writers, technologists, and business leaders about what they believe in and why. Look elsewhere for posturing confrontation and quick reactions to the day's news. Subscribe for the anti-soundbite.
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CleanBryan Stevenson on why the opposite of poverty isn’t wealth, but justice | Bryan Stevenson is the founder and executive director of the Equal Justice Initiative. He and his staff have won reversals, relief, or release for more than 115 wrongly convicted prisoners on death row. He’s the author of the power book Just Mercy, and a winner of a MacArthur “Genius” grant. There are only a few people I’d say this about, but he’s a genuine American hero.This conversation begins with one of Stevenson’s most provocative arguments. “The opposite of poverty isn’t wealth,” he says. “It’s justice.” In this podcast, he explains what he means.We also talk at length about his argument — an argument I am now fully convinced by — that the question is not whether a criminal deserves to die but whether the state deserves to kill. We talk about America’s history, our justice system, our prejudices. We talk about what it’s like to be a black man in the South, driving down highways named for Robert E. Lee and attending high schools named for Jefferson Davis. We talk about the value of shame, and the way we honor it in the justice system even as we dismiss it in our national dialogue.The nature of writing these podcast descriptions is that they lend themselves to hype. I want you to listen, and I use this space to try to persuade you to listen. But that backfires a bit when it gets to a conversation like this one, which left me more changed than perhaps any of the discussions that came before it. This is worth listening to.Books:“The Brothers Karamazov," by Fyodor Dostoyevsky"Gilead," by Marilynne Robinson“Anna Karenina," by Leo Tolstoy | 5/16/2017 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanDeath, Sex, and Money’s Anna Sale on bringing empathy to politics | There’s much talk of “empathy” in today’s politics, but it’s a cramped, weaponized form of empathy — an empathy designed to force us to grudgingly tolerate each other, or an empathy used to explain away the reasons we hurt each other.You can glimpse something better in the space Anna Sale creates on the WNYC podcast Death, Sex, and Money. Her show is, in this moment, powerful; the empathy she extends to her guests feels real and deep; the conversations she holds are bracingly difficult while still being honest and kind.Sale, it turns out, developed the idea for Death, Sex, and Money when she was a reporter covering politics, shouting questions at Anthony Weiner, crisscrossing the campaign trail. As we discuss in this podcast, that’s no accident.Sale and I talk about what she learned covering politics, as well as how she’d cover it if she were to do it again today. We dive into her interviewing technique — you’ll hear her turn it on me more than once — and the wonderful story behind her marriage, in which former Sen. Alan Simpson plays an unexpected but crucial role. We talk about death, about religion, and about what she learned from Bill Withers. Enjoy!Books:“Goodnight Moon," by Margaret Wise Brown"Everything in Its Path: Destruction of Community in the Buffalo Creek Flood," by Kai T. Erikson“Reviving Ophelia: Saving the Selves of Adolescent Girls," by Mary Pipher | 5/9/2017 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanCory Booker returns, live, to talk trust, Trump, and basic incomes | Senator Cory Booker is back! In this special live episode of The Ezra Klein Show — taped at Vox Conversations — Booker and I dig into America’s crisis of trust. Faith in both political figures and political institutions has plummeted in recent decades, and the product is, among other things, Trump’s presidency. So what does Booker think can be done about it?We also talk about: Whether Democrats need to be angry to fight Trump The $400,000 President Barack Obama recently accepted for a speech to a bond firm The lecture Booker’s mother gave him when he was sworn into the SenateBooker’s fight with the left over drug reimportation, and how he and Bernie Sanders came to agreementWhat Booker thinks of a universal basic income, single payer health care, political correctness on campus, artificial intelligence as a threat to humanity, and more.Speaking of which, when I asked Booker about a UBI — which he says his staff is aggressively exploring — he responded with an expansive, surprising riff that sure sounded a nascent presidential platform. So don’t miss that! | 5/4/2017 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanVC Bill Gurley on transforming health care | Washington has been gripped of late by the world’s most depressing, least imaginative, debate over health care. The question, as it stands, is whether Obamacare will survive (while being mildly, but persistently, sabotaged by the Trump administration), or whether it will be rolled back and replaced with a system that covers 24 million fewer people in order to fund tax cuts for the richest Americans. Huzzah!But a better conversation awaits. Bill Gurley is a partner at Benchmark Capital, and an early investor in Uber, Grubhub, Opentable, and more. In 2016, TechCrunch named him venture capitalist of the year. And for the last few years, he’s been studying the American health care system, trying to find an opening where technology can make a difference, and build a business. Now he thinks he’s found it.This is a conversation about what kinds of health care systems are, and aren’t, possible in this country. As you’ll hear in this discussion, I’m much more skeptical than Gurley is about both the need and the desirability for reforms that push costs onto consumers, but I agree with him that Obamacare has moved the system farther and faster in that direction than people realize. We talk about that, as well as why it’s been so hard for technology to cut costs in health care, the Singaporean health care system and the lessons American can learn from it, the way regulation protects incumbents, the government’s strangely structured investments in electronic medical records, and whether Silicon Valley’s move-fast-and-break-things culture can work for something as personal as medical care. We also discuss Gurley’s view that democracy and capitalism will, if given enough time, eat each other, and why he’s looking to China for the next great health innovations. This conversation won’t fix the American health care system, but it was, for me, a refreshing reminder that better, more productive discussions are possible. Books:“Catastrophic Care: Why Everything We Think We Know about Health Care Is Wrong," by David Goldhill"Startup: A Silicon Valley Adventure," by Jerry Kaplan“Myth or Magic - The Singapore Healthcare System," by Jeremy Lim"Shoe Dog: A Memoir by the Creator of Nike," by Phil Knight | 5/2/2017 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanElizabeth Warren on what Barack Obama got wrong | Elizabeth Warren is the founder of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, the senior senator from Massachusetts, and the author of the new book, “This Fight Is Our Fight: The Battle to Save America's Middle Class.”You might have heard of her.Warren is also one of the Democrats most capable of defining the Democratic Party’s soul and message in a post-Trump era. In her book, she says she had at least one big disagreement with President Obama — a disagreement that speaks to the direction she wants to lead the party. Obama told Americans, “the system isn’t as rigged as you think.”"No, President Obama,” Warren replies, "the system is as rigged as we think. In fact, it’s worse than most Americans realize.”In this interview, we go deep into Warren’s view on how, where, and why the system is rigged — as well as what can be done about it. We also talk about whether fighting Trump requires matching his tone and tactics, how complex policies and processes create space for special interests to take over, and why Trump’s abandonment of economic populism hasn’t affected his support among his voters.Warren is an able, thoughtful advocate for one of the Democratic Party’s possible futures: becoming a party that represents the economic populism Trump claimed to champion, but quickly abandoned. But as she’s the first to admit, that won’t be easy.Books:“Evicted," by Matthew Desmond"Two Dollars a Day," by Kathryn Edin “The Little Engine that Could," by Watty Piper | 4/25/2017 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanCal Newport on doing Deep Work and escaping social media | I was asked recently to name a book that changed my life. The book I chose was Cal Newport’s “Deep Work,” and for the most literal of reasons: it’s changed how I lived my life. Particularly, it’s led me to stop scheduling morning meetings, and to preserve that time for more sustained, creative work.Which is all to say that I’m a bit obsessed with Newport’s work right now, and especially his account of how the digital environment we inhabit is training us out of concentration and into distraction in ways that are bad for us, bad for our work, and ultimately bad for the world. Most of the conversations on this podcast are how to think about things differently. This one is too, but it’s more importantly about how to do things differently, and why you should do them differently. We discuss:-How Newport defines depth when it comes to work-Why the information revolution boosted productivity up until the 2000s, but then stagnated-What he thinks is problematic about the constant accessibility of technologies like email, Slack, and other communication tools-His perspective about how we’re still in an early age of the internet, and what looking back at periods like the Industrial Revolution can teach us about using new technology to work smarter-How to take productive breaks, rather than flicking through email and Facebook and Twitter-How “flow work” and deep work overlap, and how they’re distinct from each other-Why he consumes and produces information more slowly and more traditionally—through newspapers and radio, and why that might benefit people who work in the knowledge economy-His vision of the workplace of the futureI hope you get as much out of Newport’s ideas as I have.Books:-Jaron Lanier, “You Are Not A Gadget” and “Who Will Own The Future"-Douglas Rushkoff’s “Throwing Rocks at the Google Bus” | 4/18/2017 | Free | View in iTunes |
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ExplicitG. Willow Wilson on religion, comics, and modern myths | This is a podcast about topics we don’t always cover on this show. Religion. Spirituality. Gender roles. Traditionalist societies. Comic books.G. Willow Wilson is the author of The Butterfly Mosque, Alif the Unseen, and the Hugo award winning comic book, Ms. Marvel. She’s also lived a fascinating, unusual life: she’s an American who converted to Islam and then moved to Egypt, where she met her now-husband. The hallmark of her work is an empathy and appreciation for societies that are often caricatured or even reviled by Americans. This conversation went in some wonderful, weird directions. We talk about Richard Dawkins’ “God gene,” and why Wilson feels she has it, and I don’t. We talk about how sickness can strengthen faith, what happens to spirituality when it’s decoupled from beauty, and why being in Egypt made Wilson feel less free, but more appreciated.We also talk about writing and comics, about the ways in which superheroes have become modern myths, and how her character, Ms. Marvel, became an surprise commercial success as well as an unexpected protest icon. We touch on Gamergate, representation in comic books, and Mike Pence’s rules for interacting with women who aren’t his wife.Wilson has a quality you find in the very best writers: an ability to look at the same world you see every day, but somehow discover much more behind it. Books:Anya’s Ghost, by Vera BrosgolThe Color of Earth, by Dong Hwa KimFun Home, by Alison Bechdel“A Revolution Undone,” by H.A. Hellyer“Throne of the Crescent Moon,” by Saladin Ahmed“The Meccan Revelations,” by Ibn al'Arabi | 4/11/2017 | Free | View in iTunes |
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ExplicitChris Hayes on the crisis of elites and the politics of order | I could describe this podcast, and I will. But the tl;dr is this is one of my favorite conversations so far, and you’re going to enjoy it. So just go listen. Chris Hayes is, of course, the host of the MSNBC primetime show, “All In.” He’s also the author of the new book “Colony in a Nation,” as well as (the extremely prescient) Twilight of the Elites. But beyond the bio, Chris is a crazily smart and insightful thinker on US politics and society, and he's in rare form here. Among our topics:• The way Donald Trump’s success represents both the problems of elite power and elite weaknessWho even counts as an elite, anyway?How people decide what to trustThe difficulties of trying to approach politics with decency and charity in the age of TrumpWhy the key to “law and order politics” isn’t law, but orderThe underestimated power of humiliation in daily American life, and during America’s foundingHow Chris would cover Trump if he were a White House correspondentThe ways in which the media actually can be unfair to TrumpWhy the fight between Trump and the press is more a staged WWE-match than an actual warThe power of seeing politics as a zero-sum competition, even when it isn’t oneAnd much more. This conversation is dense and it’s fast and it’s interesting and it’s fun. Enjoy!Books:“Democracy for Realists,” by Chris Achen and Larry Bartels"Locking up our own,” by James Forman“Racecraft,” by Barbara Fields and Karen Fields"Ghettoside,” by Jill Leovy | 4/4/2017 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanTyler Cowen explains it all | Tyler Cowen explains it all | 3/28/2017 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanMolly Ball on whether facts matter in politics | In the most recent Atlantic, Ball profiles Kellyanne Conway, whose television appearances and "alternative facts" offer an unusually clear window into this debate. | 3/21/2017 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanDenis McDonough on how to run the White House | How do you actually run a White House? What is the president’s actual job? What is the chief of staff’s role? What happens if you screw up? | 3/14/2017 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanCecile Richards on Planned Parenthood, labor organizing, and the Supreme Court | Cecile Richards on Planned Parenthood, labor organizing, and the Supreme Court | 3/7/2017 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanTim Ferriss on suffering, psychedelics, and spirituality | Tim Ferriss on suffering, psychedelics, and spirituality | 3/2/2017 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanYuval Harari, author of “Sapiens,” on AI, religion, and 60-day meditation retreats | Yuval Noah Harari’s first book, “Sapiens,” was an international sensation. The Israeli historian’s mind-bending tour through the trump of Homo sapiens is a favorite of, among others, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, and Barack Obama. His new book, Homo Deus, is about what comes next for humanity — and the threat our own intelligence and creative capacity poses to our future. And it, too, is fantastically interesting. I’ve wanted to talk to Harari since reading Sapiens. I’ve had one big question about him: what kind of mind creates a book like that? And now I know. A clear one.Virtually everything Harari says in this conversation in fascinating. But what I didn’t expect was how central his consistent practice of vipassana meditation — which includes a 60-day silent retreat each year — is to understanding the works of both history and futurism he produces. We talk about that, and also:-His theory on how all large-scale collaboration is based on fictions, from mythologies and religions to nationalism to human rights-Why he sees money as one of the greatest stories human beings have ever told-Why he reads only 5-10 pages of a huge number of books-His theory that human beings have moved from venerating gods, to venerating themselves, to venerating data — and what that means for our future-How we treat other animals and what that might imply for how artificial intelligences could treat us -Whether wide swaths of human beings will be rendered useless by advances in computing-The ways in which a narrow idea of what intelligence is — and the way it relates to consciousness — is holding us back from understanding AIThis is one of my favorite conversations we’ve had. Enjoy! Books:-Jared Diamond’s Guns, Germs, & Steel-Frans de Waal’s Chimpanzee Politics-Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World | 2/28/2017 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanElizabeth Drew covered Watergate. Here's what she thinks of Trump. | Elizabeth Drew covered Watergate. Here's what she thinks of Trump. | 2/21/2017 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanAvik Roy on why conservatives need to embrace diversity | Avik Roy on why conservatives need to embrace diversity | 2/14/2017 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanKara Swisher gives a master class on reporting and interviewing | Kara Swisher gives a master class on reporting and interviewing | 2/7/2017 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanDavid Miliband explains the global refugee crisis | David Miliband explains the global refugee crisis | 2/2/2017 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanJennifer Lawless on why you — yes, you — should run for office | Jennifer Lawless on why you — yes, you — should run for office | 1/31/2017 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanJD Vance: the reluctant interpreter of Trumpism | JD Vance: the reluctant interpreter of Trumpism | 1/24/2017 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanKeith Ellison: The Democratic National Committee has become the Democratic Presidential Committee, and that needs to end | Keith Ellison: The Democratic National Committee has become the Democratic Presidential Committee, and that needs to end | 1/17/2017 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanElizabeth Kolbert: We have locked in centuries of climate change | Elizabeth Kolbert: We have locked in centuries of climate change | 1/10/2017 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanSarah Kliff and Ezra Interview Obama About Obamacare | Sarah Kliff and Ezra Interview Obama About Obamacare | 1/6/2017 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanYou Ask, Ezra Answers | You Ask, Ezra Answers | 1/3/2017 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanEvelyn Farkas explains the crisis in Syria and the threat of Russia | Evelyn Farkas explains the crisis in Syria and the threat of Russia | 12/27/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanTim Wu's interesting, unusual, fascinating life | Tim Wu's interesting, unusual, fascinating life | 12/20/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanTa-Nehisi Coates: "There’s not gonna be a happy ending to this story" | Ta-Nehisi Coates: "There’s not gonna be a happy ending to this story" | 12/14/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanStripe CEO Patrick Collison on management, rationalism, and the enlightenment | Stripe CEO Patrick Collison on management, rationalism, and the enlightenment | 12/6/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanAward-winning chef José Andrés on cooking, creativity, and learning from the best | Award-winning chef José Andrés on cooking, creativity, and learning from the best | 11/29/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanHeather McGhee returns to talk Trump, race, and empathy | Heather McGhee returns to talk Trump, race, and empathy | 11/22/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanRon Brownstein: Clinton didn’t lose because of the white working class | Ron Brownstein: Clinton didn’t lose because of the white working class | 11/15/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanDavid Frum on the 2016 election, and the long decline of the GOP | David Frum on the 2016 election, and the long decline of the GOP | 11/6/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanDeborah Tannen on gendered speech, Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, and you | Deborah Tannen on gendered speech, Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, and you | 11/1/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanJoseph Stiglitz on broken markets, bad trade deals, and basic incomes | Joseph Stiglitz on broken markets, bad trade deals, and basic incomes | 10/25/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanLet's talk about Hillary Clinton's policy ideas, with Jonathan Cohn | Let's talk about Hillary Clinton's policy ideas, with Jonathan Cohn | 10/18/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanFrancis Fukuyama on whether America's democracy is decaying | Francis Fukuyama on whether America's democracy is decaying | 10/11/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanTyler Cowen interviews Ezra Klein about politics, media, and more | Tyler Cowen interviews Ezra Klein about politics, media, and more | 10/6/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanThe best conversation I’ve had about the election, with Molly Ball | The best conversation I’ve had about the election, with Molly Ball | 10/4/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanHHS Secretary Sylvia Matthews Burwell on running Obamacare, Medicare, and Medicaid | HHS Secretary Sylvia Matthews Burwell on running Obamacare, Medicare, and Medicaid | 9/27/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanDr. Leana Wen on why the opposite of poverty is health | Dr. Leana Wen on why the opposite of poverty is health | 9/20/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanArlie Hochschild on how America feels to Trump supporters | Arlie Hochschild on how America feels to Trump supporters | 9/13/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanStewart Butterfield on creating Slack, learning from games, and finding your online identity | Stewart Butterfield on creating Slack, learning from games, and finding your online identity | 9/5/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanW. Kamau Bell on the lessons of parenthood, Twitter, and fame | W. Kamau Bell on the lessons of parenthood, Twitter, and fame | 8/29/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanMalcolm Gladwell on the danger of joining consensus opinions | Malcolm Gladwell on the danger of joining consensus opinions | 8/23/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanGrant Gordon on studying the world's worst conflicts | Grant Gordon on studying the world's worst conflicts | 8/16/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanMelissa Bell on starting Vox, managing media, and connecting newsrooms | Melissa Bell on starting Vox, managing media, and connecting newsrooms | 8/9/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanAtul Gawande on surgery, writing, Obamacare, and indie music | Atul Gawande on surgery, writing, Obamacare, and indie music | 8/2/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanTrevor Noah, host of The Daily Show | Trevor Noah, host of The Daily Show | 7/26/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanConservative intellectual Yuval Levin on how the Republican Party lost its way | Conservative intellectual Yuval Levin on how the Republican Party lost its way | 7/19/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanHillary Clinton. Yes, that Hillary Clinton. | Hillary Clinton. Yes, that Hillary Clinton. | 7/12/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanPatrick Brown on plant-meat that bleeds and the science of flavor | Patrick Brown on plant-meat that bleeds and the science of flavor | 7/5/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanHeather McGhee on what Democrats get wrong about racism | Heather McGhee on what Democrats get wrong about racism | 6/28/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanJesse Eisenberg on Jewish humor, writing lessons, and interrogating strangers | Jesse Eisenberg on Jewish humor, writing lessons, and interrogating strangers | 6/21/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanJessica Valenti on honesty, internet trolls, and modern feminism | Jessica Valenti on honesty, internet trolls, and modern feminism | 6/14/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanMoby on how cheap rent leads to great art | Moby on how cheap rent leads to great art | 6/7/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanSecretary of Labor (and maybe VP?) Tom Perez | Secretary of Labor (and maybe VP?) Tom Perez | 5/31/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanAndrew Sullivan on quitting blogging, fearing political correctness, and Donald Trump | Andrew Sullivan on quitting blogging, fearing political correctness, and Donald Trump | 5/24/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanAlice Rivlin, queen of Washington's budget wonks | Alice Rivlin, queen of Washington's budget wonks | 5/17/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanArianna Huffington on sleep, death, and social media | Arianna Huffington on sleep, death, and social media | 5/10/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanRobert Reich on supporting Bernie Sanders, dating Hillary Clinton, and fighting inequality | Robert Reich on supporting Bernie Sanders, dating Hillary Clinton, and fighting inequality | 5/3/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanBruce Friedrich on how technology will reduce animal suffering | Bruce Friedrich on how technology will reduce animal suffering | 4/26/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanBen Thompson on how to make it in media in 2016 | Ben Thompson on how to make it in media in 2016 | 4/19/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanBen Thompson on how the media business is changing | Ben Thompson on how the media business is changing | 4/19/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanGrover Norquist explains what it takes to change American politics | Grover Norquist explains what it takes to change American politics | 4/12/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanNeera Tanden on what it's like to work for Hillary Clinton | Neera Tanden on what it's like to work for Hillary Clinton | 4/5/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanDavid Chang, head of the Momofuku empire | David Chang, head of the Momofuku empire | 3/29/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanCory Booker on the spiritual dimension of politics | Cory Booker on the spiritual dimension of politics | 3/22/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanMichael Needham on the Republican Party's crack-up | Michael Needham on the Republican Party's crack-up | 3/15/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanJim Yong Kim on revolutionizing how we treat the world's poor | Jim Yong Kim on revolutionizing how we treat the world's poor | 3/8/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanTheda Skocpol on how political scientists think differently about politics | Theda Skocpol on how political scientists think differently about politics | 3/1/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanBill Gates on stopping climate change, building robots, and the best books he's read | Bill Gates on stopping climate change, building robots, and the best books he's read | 2/23/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanHow lobbying works, with super-lobbyist Tony Podesta | How lobbying works, with super-lobbyist Tony Podesta | 2/16/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanRachel Maddow on skinhead rallies, AIDS activism, and why she doesn't read op-eds | Rachel Maddow on skinhead rallies, AIDS activism, and why she doesn't read op-eds | 2/9/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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CleanComing Soon -- The Ezra Klein Show | Coming Soon -- The Ezra Klein Show | 2/3/2016 | Free | View in iTunes |
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Customer Reviews
Informative, fun
Can’t get enough of these shows. Listened to all of In the Weeds to date, and now the Ezra Klein Show as well. Long-form interviews have always been interesting, and Ezra balances his questions and gives his interviewees room to expand on their ideas. Check out his interview with Bernie Sanders on Vox.com as well.
Favorite part in this series, so far, is Rachel Maddow explaining her methods of solving a problem with activism. Start right around 53:20, if you weren’t really sure what activism was before or thought that it just meant waving signs in front of government buildings, prepare to learn something cool.
Interesting conversation between intelligent people
Loved the first episode and I'm looking forward to the next one.
Very very great
Please, Ezra, continue with the engaging conversational atmosphere. We want to know these people, not listen to who we see on tv or read about in the papers. Love it
