The Next System Podcast
By The Next System Project
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The Next System Podcast is a weekly series that interrogates the systemic challenges facing society today and the systemic solutions that can build the society of tomorrow. Learn more about the Next System Project at www.thenextsystem.org.
||CleanWhen “growing the economy” is not the right answer: Moving to sustainability||Carina Millstone joins us to discuss an "economy within planet"||11/27/2018||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanEp. 26: What Banks Owe Communities||Towards a 21st century Community Reinvestment Act||11/12/2018||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanEp. 25: Public Banking Coast to Coast||Public Bank Campaigners From LA & NYC Join Us To Discuss Democratized Finance||11/2/2018||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanEp. 24: The Antidote to the Amazon Economy||ILSR's Stacy Mitchell joins us to discuss the Community-Scaled Economy initiative!||9/21/2018||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanEpisode 23: Community Control of Land and Housing (W/ Jarrid Green)||Jarrid discuss his new report on a democratic system of housing.||8/29/2018||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanEp. 22: The Preston Model for Economic Revival||Matthew Brown join the Next System Podcast to discuss his groundbreaking work in Preston, UK||7/24/2018||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanEp. 21: Worker Cooperatives & System Change (W/ Esteban Kelly)||Interview with the President of US Federation of Worker Cooperatives||6/19/2018||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanEp. 20: Towards the Inclusive Workers’ Movement of the Future (W/ Dorian Warren)||Dr. Dorian Warren joins the Next System Podcast to discuss his broad range of work from studying ways of reversing racial inequality to organizing for change at the ballot box.||4/16/2018||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanEp. 19: Extraction & Resilience in Appalachia (W/ Elizabeth Catte)||Elizabeth Catte discusses her new book "What You Are Getting Wrong About Appalachia"||3/26/2018||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanEp. 18: The New Abolitionism & Monetary Freedom (W/ Delman Coates)||Rev. Dr. Delman Coates discusses the problem of debt-based money.||3/12/2018||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanEp. 17: Social Transformation Through ‘The Commons’ (W/ David Bollier)||David Bollier joins us to discuss his work on the the Commons as a path to system change.||2/26/2018||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanEp. 16: “Resist & Build”: Discussing the Solidarity Economy (W/ Emily Kawano)||Emily Kawano discusses the solidarity economy movement||2/12/2018||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanEp. 15: How Communities Can Take Control of Their Police (W/ Max Rameau)||Max Ramaeu discusses his Next System paper on how to change toxic police paradigms||1/17/2018||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanEp. 14: The Job Guarantee & Social Justice (W/ Pavlina Tcherneva)||How the government can guarantee everyone a job, and in the process both win crucial gains for workers in the private sector and build the power of communities to meet their most pressing needs.||12/20/2017||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanEp. 13: Building A Caring Majority (W/ Sarita Gupta)||Sarita Gupta discusses the importance of care work.||12/6/2017||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanEp. 12: Black Power Vs. Black Capitalism (W/ Nishani Frazier)||Nishani Frazier discusses lessons from the CORE movement.||11/29/2017||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanEp. 11: The Transformative Potential of Public Ownership (W/ Andrew Cumbers)||Andrew Cumbers discusses how to democratize ownership of the economy.||11/15/2017||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanEp. 10.2: The Pluralist Commonwealth (W/ Gar Alperovitz)||NSP Co-Chair explains his own model for the next system||11/9/2017||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanEp. 10.1: System Change, Past & Present (W/ Gar Alperovitz)||Gar Alperovitz discusses his past as he explores the current context.||11/2/2017||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanEp. 9: Energizing Democracy By Democratizing Energy (W/ Denise Fairchild)||Dr. Denise Fairchild discusses her new anthology on energy democracy.||10/25/2017||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanEp. 8: The Next System of Media W/ Laura Flanders||The Journalism We Need||10/17/2017||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanEp. 7: Why Climate Change Necessitates System Change W/ Gus Speth||Gus Speth reflects on the past, present, and future of the environmental movement.||9/27/2017||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanEp. 6: Capital Bias vs. Generative Design W/ Marjorie Kelly||Why Worker Ownership Matters||9/19/2017||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanEp. 5: Toward Climate Justice w/ Jacqueline Patterson & Basav Sen||Achieving a more egalitarian economy while protecting the environment||9/13/2017||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanEp. 4: Discussing the Racial Wealth Gap & the Job Guarantee (W/ Darrick Hamilton)||Darrick Hamilton discusses his work on the racial wealth gap and his proposal for a federal job guarantee.||9/5/2017||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanEp. 3: Carbon tax & Social Dividends w/ Jeremiah Lowery & Camila Thorndike||Can tax and dividend strategy simultaneously combat inequality and climate change?||8/30/2017||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanEp. 2: Kate Raworth on "Doughnut Economics"||Is the alternative to our current economic and social paradigms a doughnut?||8/22/2017||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanEp. 1: Gar Alperovitz & Gus Speth on the Next System||NSP Co-Chairs discuss the present political context.||8/14/2017||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanNext System Podcast Intro||This music was taken from the song "You Won't Believe What Happens Next" by artist Tiny Robots. It is available under a Creative Commons license and found at the Free Music Archive.||8/2/2017||Free||View in iTunes|
Much needed discussion
The Next System podcast brings a variety of progressive ideas for system change to one place. In too many cases, progressives prioritize a particular idea or movement or change over all others, leaving the left divided over which injustice must be corrected first, never uniting on a platform of ideas. This podcast presents many ideas, and, just as importantly, often discusses correlations between ideas - how systems interact currently, and how solutions must interact to affect change.
I read a poor review of the podcast that pointed out a lack of diversity in guests, as well as how many of the guests work within the current system or are proposing changes that work within the current system. I would refute both charges. The podcast is still in its early stages, and I’ve listened to every episode over the past two weeks - diversity in every sense is not an issue. As far as working within the current system goes, these proposals aren’t the kind of incrementalism typical of timid liberals as the review seemed to suggest. Single payer healthcare seemed like a radical, politically impossible pipe dream just a couple of years ago, but is now gaining wide recognition on the left as the only true solution to the healthcare system - yet you could say that working to change congress people’s minds about that issue, or working to vote people into office who support that idea, is just incrementalists working within the current system. Well, perhaps unfortunately, everything’s not going to change for the best all at once, so a podcast like this that seeks to flesh out seemingly radical ideas, and make it obvious that they are morally responsible, fiscally responsible, and will actually generate hugely positive impacts in society is, in my opinion, refreshing and necessary. To that reviewer: don’t eat your own.
To the Next System team: thank you so much for what you do. It’s truly inspiring. I will echo another reviewer with my one critique - fade out the intro music much faster, it’s hard to hear the beginning because it stays loud too long and you’re fairly soft spoken.
So glad you interviewed the Rev. Coates - he is a visionary.
(As an aside - you need to duck out the intro music when you are introducing the guest)
I have been really frustrated with the Next Systems Project and this podcast especially. They seem to interview a lot of non-profit leaders and orgs that are themselves reliant on the current, capitalist system and foundation money. Where are the interviews with Cooperation Jackson, 3rd party leaders, folks who are really interested in changing the system.
Please begin to balance your work with folks who have a little more edge to their work. Also, why are more than half the interviews with white folks? There is a real black left in this country that deserves recognition for starting this conversation about changing the system long before TNSP.