Us & Them
By Trey Kay and WVPB
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We tell stories from the fault lines that separate Americans. Peabody Award-winning public radio producer Trey Kay listens to people on both sides of the divide.
||CleanThe Church Lady||The Wertheimers were the only Jews in their community. Linda and her brother felt confused and ostracized when a lady came to their classroom each week to lead a class that felt less like social studies and more like Sunday school.||11/8/2017||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanCommunity and Cops Talking Across the Divide||How a proactive partnership changed perceptions between police and the black community.||10/25/2017||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanA Policeman is a Person in Your Neighborhood, In Your Neighborhood, In Your Neigh-bor-hoo-ood!||A program in Charleston, WV pays for police officers $50k to resettle in some of the city's toughest neighborhoods.||10/12/2017||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanShack! - A Civil Rights Story||At a time when the President of the United States questions the patriotism of African American football players protesting social injustice, we present the civil rights struggle of another African American who, nearly 50 years ago, broke a color...||9/26/2017||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanTwo Tales of Coal||Like many from his state, Trey was weaned on the jingle “Coal is West Virginia!” For this episode, we meet two West Virginians who see the mining industry in completely different ways: one who believes coal is the lifeblood of the...||9/11/2017||Free||View in iTunes|
||ExplicitHillers & Creekers||Americans tend to sort themselves into tribes that share similar culture, ideas and values. Trey recalls kids at his West Virginia high school sorting themselves into different camps and how one dressed was a defining factor, right down to the shoes.||8/23/2017||Free||View in iTunes|
||ExplicitConfederate Reckoning: When Will The Civil War End?||The tragedy in Charlottesville, VA makes us wonder if it’s possible to reconcile different versions of history. This episode features two American foreign correspondents of color who’ve sought to answer this quandary. They fly from Kenya to New...||8/16/2017||Free||View in iTunes|
||ExplicitRemembering New Math & Common Core||When conservatives and liberals fight about school curriculum, the disagreements aren’t just about science and history. Even math has been a battleground in the culture wars. Also, Common Core was a hot button issue during the 2016 Presidential...||8/3/2017||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanDeanna, Tymel & Amarie||Deanna McKinney’s been through one of the hardest things a parent can endure. Her teenage son was gunned down on her front porch by a kid looking to join a gang. Now she’s making meaning out of the tragedy by working to ensure a better...||7/17/2017||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanAmazing Grace||Everyone knows the song. People who don’t consider themselves spiritual or religious find it meaningful. John Newton penned the hymn to connect with Christians, but it has transcended that and become a folk song and an anthem for civil rights. The...||6/30/2017||Free||View in iTunes|
||ExplicitSodomy, Stonewall & Pride||Not that long ago, you could get locked up for being gay. A West Virginia man tells Trey about being sent to a mental institution for violating sodomy laws. While standing in front of the historic Stonewall Inn in NY’s Greenwich Village, gay...||6/19/2017||Free||View in iTunes|
||ExplicitThe Elephant in the (Class) Room: How I Survived Iraq and Vassar College||After four years of commanding a tank in Iraq, David Carrell, a Republican from Texas, had the opportunity to study at a liberal college in the northeast. He tells Trey what he’s observed about Red and Blue America.||5/31/2017||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanGentrification: That Kumbayah Moment||When a neighborhood transforms, newcomers can feel unwelcome, while longtime residents feel threatened. But is there a sweet spot when everyone in the community lives in harmony?||5/19/2017||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanWhat I Learned About Empathy from a Textbook||Empathy... it's a word we've heard a lot in the past year. But what is it? And do we need it? Trey explains what he learned about empathy from... a textbook!||4/24/2017||Free||View in iTunes|
||ExplicitReasserting Femme Voice||North Carolina repealed its notorious bathroom law, but not necessarily for the better. Transsexuals remain outside NC’s equal protection laws—whether in the bathroom or in the workplace. All of this has got me thinking about my friend Anne Kelly.||4/4/2017||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanLove, the Ayatollah & Revolution||Essi and Katie fell in love before the backdrop of the Iranian Revolution and growing antipathy between America and Ayatollah Khomeini. Despite many fantastic twists and dangerous turns, their love has triumphed over archenemies' hatred.||2/14/2017||Free||View in iTunes|
||ExplicitComing Out of the Closet||Where some Trump supporters have been loud and proud, others have remained in the shadows. With the new boss installed, it’s “olly olly in come free!” Trey speaks with Trump voters about their hopes, dreams and expectations.||1/24/2017||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanSerious as a Heart Attack||An Us and Them conversation turns ugly and Trey loses it. He becomes concerned about with his physical, mental and spiritual health.||12/14/2016||Free||View in iTunes|
||ExplicitTaking an Ass Whoopin’||The 2016 presidential campaign was one of the most brutal in America’s history. Trey was stunned by the outcome and is trying understand what the whole thing means. Are truth and bitter reality the new Us? Have our news sources become Them?||11/15/2016||Free||View in iTunes|
||ExplicitHello Mary Lou...||Mary Lou Bruner, who made headlines with her wild accusations about President Obama, is running for Texas State Board of Education. If elected, she’ll be responsible for guiding the nation’s second largest public school system. Could she influence..||5/21/2016||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanThe Changing Face of Heroin||Something has shifted in the way our society thinks and talks about heroin addicts these days. Could it be that smack users seem more like ‘us’ and less like ‘them’?||4/26/2016||Free||View in iTunes|
||ExplicitHeroin I - N'ganga Dimitri||Dimitri Mugianis has an undying love for drug addicts. He's a former junkie who's been clean for a decade. Now he feels a calling to help other addicts -- "my people," he calls them -- by using unconventional “shamanistic” treatment...||3/22/2016||Free||View in iTunes|
||ExplicitFemme Voice||Anne Kelly always felt like she was born into the wrong body. She began life as a man, but is now transitioning into a woman. She’s got the looking like a woman part down. It’s the sounding like a woman thing that’s harder than she...||2/28/2016||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanShack!||In 1969, James “Shack” Harris became the first African American quarterback to break the color line in the NFL.||2/5/2016||Free||View in iTunes|
||ExplicitTrapped on the Turnpike||How 27 hours of being snow-bound on the Pennsylvania Turnpike helps Trey file a report to the Keystone State’s “Office of Lessons Learned.”||2/3/2016||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanThe Refugee Trail with Scott Carrier||Veteran journalist – or “cultural anthropologist” – Scott Carrier speaks with people fleeing war-torn Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and other countries as they seek refuge in Europe.||1/16/2016||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanWar on Christmas…Really?||Some feel there’s an attack on this sacred holiday. Others are bothered that this religious holiday has blurred America’s church/state separation. But is this really a war?||12/21/2015||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanIslamophobia||With acts of terrorism in Paris and San Bernardino, some Americans are suspicious of Muslim neighbors and immigrants. Warranted fear or paranoia?||12/9/2015||Free||View in iTunes|
||ExplicitAtheism||Would Americans vote for an atheist president? A recent poll says no way. In this episode, a social psychologist tells us why this might be.||11/19/2015||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanEnemies||Jesus said, “Love your enemies." Today’s politicians ask God to bless America, but in the same breath, they call their political opponents "enemies." Labels help us organize the world along fault lines, but is this the best...||11/6/2015||Free||View in iTunes|
||ExplicitLocked Up For Sodomy||Not that long ago, you could get locked up for being gay. A West Virginia man tells Trey about being sent to a mental institution for violating the state’s sodomy laws.||10/15/2015||Free||View in iTunes|
||ExplicitA Confederate Reckoning||Can we reconcile different versions of history? Two American foreign correspondents of color fly from Kenya to Louisiana to report on an unfinished civil war back home.||10/3/2015||Free||View in iTunes|
||ExplicitStrangers With Cameras In Appalachia||A recent photo essay depicting Appalachians has stirred controversy in that region. Some locals feel violated when outsiders come into their communities snapping photos. Are these shutterbugs depicting reality or reinforcing stereotypes?...||9/17/2015||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanNew Math||When conservatives and liberals fight about school curriculum, the disagreements aren't just about science and history. Even math has been a battleground in the culture wars. Trey talks with historian Christopher Phillips.||8/31/2015||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanTextbook Watchdogs||Lots of American school districts have fierce fights over what kids should learn in school, but nobody fights like Texans. And no citizens have had a bigger impact on what goes into public school textbooks than Mel and Norma Gabler.||8/16/2015||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanPut Your Money Where Your Mouth Is||Two men with strong opinions about evolution and climate change are willing to lay their money on the line.||7/15/2015||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanIn Dixieland, I'll Take My Stand||The Condederate flag and the song "Dixie" -- two enduring Old South icons that make us wonder if the war ever ended.||6/25/2015||Free||View in iTunes|
||ExplicitSex Ed for Grown-ups||The chair of the University of Minnesota's program for Sexual Health Education tells Trey most sexual health instruction focuses on adolescents and that maybe adults might also need some instruction.||6/14/2015||Free||View in iTunes|
||ExplicitThe Talk||Despite all the fuss about sex education in America, students get precious little of it. Jonathan Zimmerman, an education historian, tells Trey how Americans spend more time arguing about what kids should learn about human sexuality in schools...||5/31/2015||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanTo Give or Not to Give||If you give money to panhandlers, are you helping them or hurting them? And do they really need help? People have strong opinions. We try to separate the facts from the ideology.||5/14/2015||Free||View in iTunes|
||ExplicitRevisiting the Grand Palace||Americans' attitudes toward gay relationships have changed dramatically in a short time. Trey Kay returns to his home state of West Virginia to see how this change is playing out in a state where 53 percent of residents believe the Bible is the literal||5/1/2015||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanThe Great Textbook War||In 1974, Kanawha County West Virginia was an early battleground in the American culture wars. The fight focused on what children should learn in school.||4/30/2015||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanMarrying Gays When It Wasn't Cool - Rev. Jim Lewis||Decades before same-sex marriage became legal, the Reverend Jim Lewis of Charleston, West Virginia sparked outrage by blessing the unions of gay men and lesbians in his church.||4/30/2015||Free||View in iTunes|
||CleanTrey & Alice||A blue state secular liberal and a red state conservative Christian have an unlikely friendship. And a slug burger.||4/30/2015||Free||View in iTunes|
Hear great storytelling from BOTH sides, for once
This podcast is both entertaining and enlightening. It's great to hear from people with passionate and divergent views, in a way that respects their and our intelligence.
Us & Them addresses pressing issues with enlightened perspective.
I gave Us & Them a listen for the first time the other day and was immediately hooked. As a native West Virginian turned Wellesley College student, I can say with great confidence that the stories Kay tells here are both relevant and close to home. Culture wars surround and consume us. Despite our many differences, it’s still important to acknowledge the humanity on both sides. Snaps to you, Trey Kay, you’ve hit the nail right on the head once again!
trey has set out an admirable goal - to break down the barriers that divide americans, and start conversations between those on different sides politically. his friendship with alice is a good place to start - reminding us that our opponents are humans, and finding some common ground.
and now i know what a slug burger is. and no it's not made of slugs.